>> alice one of the canada so opposed tuition fees of the time. the question is, what you do if you do not do that? it is problematic for the reason that you've said. the money does not go directly back to the universities. alan the rule of paying for hijack -- higher education. it does have its problems. >> let's move on to add balls. -- ed miliband -- ed balls. >> unfortunately we lost that argument seven years ago. theink if you're expanding number of university presses, it is fair to say that people will get the benefit, but if you say to a family. no one has gone to university before, they did not want their children starting out in debt. it did get a job afterward, they make a contribution. that is a much better way to do it. >> there's a real problem in the current system people have a specific figure attached to them. that will begin to put them off: the university. i remember graduating in the early 1990's, and they should both paid the same. what we have to do is talk more about young people that have a realistic hope that they would get